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1. A challenge issued at DigitalPoint Forums from sweetfunny. He says the statement I issued on the 20th here is incorrect.
"I want this website submission experiment webpage to be indexed by google first! This will secure that http://www.omg-1.com is the original source article and then we will not go into the googles suplimentals index. We do not want google to assume an articles site which we submitted to is the article source."
This is what sweetfunny says
"This lost all SEO credability when i got to the rubbish about getting content indexed on your site first before the article directories to avoid duplicate content issues. Right there is when i hit the back button sorry. I have posted about this time and time again on here ( DP forum), what is considered the duplicate content version of a document has nothing what so ever to do with where it was indexed first. As i said, where it was found first has nothing to do with anything and Google doesnt even factor it. The document with the most authority is what counts.
Its not what i "think" its how it works, and if you want me to prove it again no probs. Get an original document indexed and cached on your domain, then ill put the same thing up and link it from my PR7 homepage and yours will be gone in about 48 hours. The niche wont matter, and im going to use a PR3 instead thats predicted a 5 or 6 as i promised the advertisers on the PR7 only 10 outbounds. It will still work, i have the page and will upload in the morning."
So I replied with a test!
"Deal, I must say I think you are wrong because this just doesn't make sense. I have an original page. Ill pass the page to you. Just copy the source file and place it on your site. So is it correct your page will link to mine as the original, if so mine will stay and your will be the duplicate because my page is already indexed. Ill pm you the page if you like and we can keep it private and add to this thread once one of us is out."
And finally we were in agreement with this new duplicate content experiment.
sweetfunny
"Deal, and yes it is the way it works. After mine gets indexed, when you search "a unique piece of text in quotes" it will say results 1 of 2 and display my URL and you will need to click the show omited results to see yours. I've proven this a number of times, but i will certainly do it again to show you. I definately dont agree with Googles handling of duplicated documents, but its how it works."
siron commented
'Hmm, very interesting discussion, can't wait to see the result of sweetfunny's challenge. But I have a question, is the PR7 site in the same niche or are you asserting that this isn't important. What type of content is on your PR7 site, is it an article repository, Blog, directory etc. A bit more info would be wonderful."
domaintom says
"Well now it really is an experiment! I just love this thread, live testing! Keep us updated please!!"
So what was done? I sent sweetfunny a list of domains from a martial arts site and he can choose the content he wishes to place on his site. He will link to his new martial arts page from his homepage and also link the new page back to the original source page. Per sweetmoney he says this, quote: "and yours will be gone in about 48 hours." So as soon as sweetfunny sends me a pm that the martial arts duplicate page is up we will know in 48 hours if the original martial arts page is knocked out of the SERPs and placed suplimental.
Below is a snap shot of the current SERPs for Google and Yahoo.
You can see that
http://www.martialarm.com/martial-arts-articles/article1.html
is ranking very high and the duplicate article
http://www.tareeinternet.com/martial-arts-articles/article2.html
Is not yet ranked by the 29th Sep 2007
Martialarm Martial Arts Articles
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Martialarm Martial Arts Articles
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Are the Martial Arts still under development?
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Are the Martial Arts still under development?
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martial arts articles of the various martialarts from all origins the martialarm - modern and historical articles
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martial arts articles of the various martialarts from all origins the martialarm - modern and historical articles
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A martial art simply is any skill that is intrinsic in warfare. The word martial means "military." So historically, a martial art is a military art. The first things that usually come to mind when discussing modern fighting systems are leaping, kicking, punching, blocking, inverting elbows, twisting necks, throwing, and weapon fighting. But also horsemanship, javelin throwing, archery, spear fighting, halberd fighting, wrestling, knife fighting, rifle, shotgun, and pistol firing, demolitions, logistics, and battle strategy can all be described as the field of martial arts. Anything that a soldier might do in battle is a martial art.
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A martial art simply is any skill that is intrinsic in warfare. The word martial means "military." So historically, a martial art is a military art. The first things that usually come to mind when discussing modern fighting systems are leaping, kicking, punching, blocking, inverting elbows, twisting necks, throwing, and weapon fighting. But also horsemanship, javelin throwing, archery, spear fighting, halberd fighting, wrestling, knife fighting, rifle, shotgun, and pistol firing, demolitions, logistics, and battle strategy can all be described as the field of martial arts. Anything that a soldier might do in battle is a martial art.
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2. Over the next week we will watch and see if www.tareeinternet.com duplicate page effect the original www.martialarm.com page.
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1. It is about 6 days after 'sweetfunny' got his authority duplicate page cached. Please check the above linked content keyword phrases and you will find the original page still ranks no#1 and the duplicate page is not in any top 100 SERP.
What does this prove? Nothing yet but it does give about 6 days credibility to my original statement here:
"I want this website submission experiment webpage to be indexed by google first! This will secure that http://www.omg-1.com is the original source article and then we will not go into the googles suplimentals index. We do not want google to assume an articles site which we submitted to is the article source."
2. I will try to get a comment from 'sweetfunny"
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